CIRA must have been doing a road-show (or just getting out and touching base with the communities) -- Byron was also at the proposed Calgary Internet Exchange, CIX, meeting on Friday last week (his talk is at 1hr09mn in the meeting feed) .. which met at Calgary City Hall for a town-hall meeting. (He even mentioned a couple of his guys just got in from Winnipeg discussing the same thing).<div>
<br></div><div>I listened to most of the discussion - you have to skip a few areas of dead spots - but was interesting none-the-less to hear the discussion points.</div><div>Here's a (very) brief synopsis </div><div><br>
<div>In attendance were interested persons, a number of ISP's and content providers such as google and akamai showed up...</div><div><br></div><div>Their town hall talk was setup here:
<a href="https://new.livestream.com/cybera-AB/cix-live-stream">https://new.livestream.com/cybera-AB/cix-live-stream</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Presenters - some I remember / recognize ...</div><div><br></div><div>Cybera - the Alberta network people</div>
<div>Google - Sylvy</div><div>CIRA - Byron Holland </div><div>Blackbridge - colo</div><div>ISP's ...</div><div>City of Calgary </div><div>CNOC - commented it should be called A IX, not CIX -- how odd from a guy who was on the TorIX board :-|</div>
<div>Akamai - costs to meetup will determine success</div><div>OpenBSD rep - cost of connection to facility / fiber-runs etc. (even Theo spoke later - interesting concept discussing the role of a pure exchange vs a data-center with caches etc)</div>
<div><br></div><div>General topics:</div><div>Governance </div><div>Neutrality (not-for-profit), one member one vote, level playing field</div><div>Must have a need - not a mandate</div><div>Lower cost, lower latency, better end-user experience</div>
<div><br></div><div>Attracting transit providers, content providers</div><div>Hub/spoke concept - from central IX to neutral and for-profit spokes/extensions </div><div>Next logical step</div><div>Reducing existing incumbents transit pricing</div>
<div><br></div><div>City of Calgary's older data center which is being decommissioned by the city is one proposed as the new location for the CIX. University of Calgary is also offering facilities downtown to host the location.</div>
<div>(funny - pun on proximity to Fire Dept and that no fires occur in data centers in downtown) :-)</div><div><br></div><div>City can lease hard-to-get dark-fiber for CIX purposes.</div><div><br></div><div>SLA's - usually best effort for IX's, not defined as five 9's. Typically SLO's (service level objectives)</div>
<div>Some stats from recent study: 30% decrease in latency</div><div><br></div><div>Leveling the playing field, encouraging competition</div><div>Criteria to joining/becoming a member of an IX</div><div>Long term - IX will survive only if there are paying membership, which will only pay if there is value.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Simili /comparison made - net connectivity vs automobile connectivity - roads etc. (similar to the toaster analogy) :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Dan.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Bill Reid <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:billreid@shaw.ca" target="_blank">billreid@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">John, I agree that IX's are difficult to start in the existing environment and that is one of the reasons why there are so few. On the other hand it is not clear to me that a local IX is not beneficial. If an IX existed then it may affect how a business gets initially connected but this effect will not be apparent for at least 2 or 3 years. Creating a viable IX takes time and of course it may not happen. What CIRA has decided to do is kick start an IX so that it will become viable and organizations can make a business case to connect.<br>
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Predicting the future in this Internet environment is very difficult. We all know of a number of technologies that sound great but fizzle out or morph over time in unexpected directions. For example VoIP did not develop the way I thought when I first got into it.<br>
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I find it is interesting that the idea of MBIX started up in the fall and quite independently CIRA decided a few months later to push to increase the number of IX's in Canada. MBIX has the good fortune to be the first IX that CIRA is supporting and they are really committed to making it a success. For example the proposed Google and Akamai cache should enable an organization to offset local loop costs with lower transit costs.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-- Bill</font></span><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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On 14/09/12 14:09, John Lange wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'll resist rehashing all my previous poo-pooing of this idea, but it<br>
comes down to one simple thing. Money. If there was any business case<br>
for this, it would have happened already.<br>
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