From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca  Thu Aug  6 14:31:30 2009
From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:31:30 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Fwd: User Group News: Help O'Reilly by Answering this
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Subject: 	User Group News: Help O'Reilly by Answering this Survey
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From: 	Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>

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From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca  Thu Aug 13 16:58:16 2009
From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:58:16 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Fwd: USENIX HotPar '10 Call For Papers Now Available
Message-ID: <4A848C78.10903@cs.umanitoba.ca>

FYI...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: USENIX HotPar '10 Call For Papers Now Available
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:48:18 -0700
From: Lionel Garth Jones <lgj at usenix.org>

The Program Committee for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in
Parallelism (HotPar '10) invites you to submit position papers.

HotPar '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing
innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the
broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions in
all fields, including application design, languages and compilers,
systems, and architecture.

We request submissions of position papers that propose new directions
for research of products in these areas, advocate non-traditional
approaches to the problems engendered by parallelism, or potentially
generate controversy and discussion.

Submissions are due January 24, 2010.

More information and submission guidelines are available at
http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpa

We look forward to receiving your submissions!

Sincerely,

Geoff Lowney, Intel
David Patterson, University of California, Berkeley
HotPar '10 Program Co-Chairs
hotpar10chairs at usenix.org


From shawn at wallbridge.net  Wed Aug 19 10:25:24 2009
From: shawn at wallbridge.net (Shawn Wallbridge)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:25:24 -0700
Subject: [RndTbl] Giant Computer Garage Sale (some Free!!)
Message-ID: <8373855F-F928-4F41-B4D3-CE364A7A85A0@wallbridge.net>

As many of you know, I have quite the collection of computers (Sun,  
SGI, Alpha's, PC's), but now that I have moved to sunny California, I  
cant keep all of them. So, I need to sell off/give away most of them.  
If you want to see what I have, please give me a call (323 420-5817),  
or feel free to stop by this weekend from 9am till 6pm (425-70 Arthur  
St, but you will need to call so I can let you in).

Feel free to forward this to anyone you think might be interested.

thanks
shawn

From ummar143 at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 19 10:59:41 2009
From: ummar143 at shaw.ca (Dan Martin)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:59:41 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl]  disk cloning and bad blocks
In-Reply-To: <8ce1230f0907232242s4998b5e7xae5a81e34145d097@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A382ED6.1050107@gmail.com> <4A383215.8080600@shaw.ca>
	<932088F8-2D40-4816-BE08-28665EF3127A@tinfoilhat.ca>
	<4A38C603.3040408@gmail.com>
	<81E30BEC-9BEF-44CD-9397-A3CAFC16597A@shaw.ca>
	<4A6946A6.7060802@cluenet.org>
	<8ce1230f0907232242s4998b5e7xae5a81e34145d097@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9A7F53-7204-443D-966B-F2E2D74AFEF1@shaw.ca>

>

Further to my adventures attempting to clone the boot drive of my  
Mac ...

I attempted cloning using dd - the idea being that a block copy would  
avoid any issues with metadata that might be encountered using file  
transfers.  I/O errors were encountered (I believe a read on the  
source drive was cited).

CCC failed in block mode, and subsequently defaulted to file mode in  
spite of copying between identical types of drives.  Then it failed in  
file mode.

SuperDuper (copies in file mode only) appeared to have no difficulty -  
though the target drive would not boot until I did it a second time.   
I have since made more copies which appear to boot.  Given previous  
failures, I am not sure how much to trust that I have a faithful  
reproduction of the source drive (not that I have any other real  
choices).

I assume there is(are) bad block(s) on the source drive.  Given the  
size of modern drives (this one a Seagate 750GB), statistically I  
expect bad blocks.

In general, shouldn't bad blocks be hidden by the firmware on the  
drive?  I thought there was an internal mapping mechanism on the drive  
to exclude the use of bad blocks, which was invisible to even low  
level use such as the dd command.

Failing this, such as 'when good blocks go bad', the filesystem (HFS+  
and I presume most other modern filesystems) will catalog any known  
bad blocks to avoid using them for files.

Should I be trying to return a warrantied drive after read errors  
occur?  Discard it if it is not warrantied?

If the filesystem has isolated all bad blocks on the source drive,  
then dd conv=noerror should work so long as there are no bad blocks on  
the target drive.  Does conv=noerror pad the missing/unreadable data  
so that the ends of the source and data drive/partitions 'line up'?   
HFS+ stores important info in the last 2 sectors.

After cloning, how do you verify identical file contents between  
clones?  After a file level copy using SuperDuper, a comparison using  
FileMerge shows that many files do not match (I booted to one, so  
Spotlight data will differ).  I think FileMerge complains about  
identical identifying data between the clones that it is asked to  
compare, though there is no problem mounting identical clones.

Since I happened to be at an Apple Store in Minneapolis, I purchased  
DiskTools Pro, which is advertised to "fix bad sectors" - identifying  
which files are affected by them.  I am not sure how much to trust it,  
especially with destructive operations like defrag.  I hope to try the  
"fix bad sectors" soon.  Does anyone have experience with DiskTools Pro?

Dan Martin
GP Hospital Practitioner
Computer Scientist
ummar143 at shaw.ca
(204) 831-1746
answering machine always on


From kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 17:18:35 2009
From: kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com (Kevin McGregor)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:18:35 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] disk cloning and bad blocks
In-Reply-To: <4A9A7F53-7204-443D-966B-F2E2D74AFEF1@shaw.ca>
References: <4A382ED6.1050107@gmail.com> <4A383215.8080600@shaw.ca>
	<932088F8-2D40-4816-BE08-28665EF3127A@tinfoilhat.ca>
	<4A38C603.3040408@gmail.com>
	<81E30BEC-9BEF-44CD-9397-A3CAFC16597A@shaw.ca>
	<4A6946A6.7060802@cluenet.org>
	<8ce1230f0907232242s4998b5e7xae5a81e34145d097@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9A7F53-7204-443D-966B-F2E2D74AFEF1@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <6756caf10908191518m43404aacna8c19020cd3f5e8c@mail.gmail.com>

My understanding is that modern hard drives detect bad sectors and
substitute ones from a set of 'spares', but when they run out of spares,
well... time to get a new drive. Replace it on warranty if you can, but
either way, the drive is done for. If you can do a file-based backup more
than once, you can checksum the files and compare the checksums to see if
the copies are good (or at least failed in the same place), but yeah, it's
hard to tell how trustworthy the data is at that point, hence all the urging
to start doing backups before this happens.
Kevin

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Dan Martin <ummar143 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> >
>
> Further to my adventures attempting to clone the boot drive of my
> Mac ...
>
> I attempted cloning using dd - the idea being that a block copy would
> avoid any issues with metadata that might be encountered using file
> transfers.  I/O errors were encountered (I believe a read on the
> source drive was cited).
>
> CCC failed in block mode, and subsequently defaulted to file mode in
> spite of copying between identical types of drives.  Then it failed in
> file mode.
>
> SuperDuper (copies in file mode only) appeared to have no difficulty -
> though the target drive would not boot until I did it a second time.
> I have since made more copies which appear to boot.  Given previous
> failures, I am not sure how much to trust that I have a faithful
> reproduction of the source drive (not that I have any other real
> choices).
>
> I assume there is(are) bad block(s) on the source drive.  Given the
> size of modern drives (this one a Seagate 750GB), statistically I
> expect bad blocks.
>
> In general, shouldn't bad blocks be hidden by the firmware on the
> drive?  I thought there was an internal mapping mechanism on the drive
> to exclude the use of bad blocks, which was invisible to even low
> level use such as the dd command.
>
> Failing this, such as 'when good blocks go bad', the filesystem (HFS+
> and I presume most other modern filesystems) will catalog any known
> bad blocks to avoid using them for files.
>
> Should I be trying to return a warrantied drive after read errors
> occur?  Discard it if it is not warrantied?
>
> If the filesystem has isolated all bad blocks on the source drive,
> then dd conv=noerror should work so long as there are no bad blocks on
> the target drive.  Does conv=noerror pad the missing/unreadable data
> so that the ends of the source and data drive/partitions 'line up'?
> HFS+ stores important info in the last 2 sectors.
>
> After cloning, how do you verify identical file contents between
> clones?  After a file level copy using SuperDuper, a comparison using
> FileMerge shows that many files do not match (I booted to one, so
> Spotlight data will differ).  I think FileMerge complains about
> identical identifying data between the clones that it is asked to
> compare, though there is no problem mounting identical clones.
>
> Since I happened to be at an Apple Store in Minneapolis, I purchased
> DiskTools Pro, which is advertised to "fix bad sectors" - identifying
> which files are affected by them.  I am not sure how much to trust it,
> especially with destructive operations like defrag.  I hope to try the
> "fix bad sectors" soon.  Does anyone have experience with DiskTools Pro?
>
> Dan Martin
> GP Hospital Practitioner
> Computer Scientist
> ummar143 at shaw.ca
> (204) 831-1746
> answering machine always on
>
> _______________________________________________
> Roundtable mailing list
> Roundtable at muug.mb.ca
> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
>
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From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca  Thu Aug 20 10:21:40 2009
From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:21:40 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Fwd: UG News: O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series
Message-ID: <4A8D6A04.7040709@cs.umanitoba.ca>

FYI...

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Subject: 	UG News: O'Reilly Radar Global Issues Webcast Series
Date: 	Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:07:23 -0700

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From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca  Thu Aug 20 11:07:56 2009
From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:07:56 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Fwd: USENIX SustainIT '10 Call For Papers Now Available
Message-ID: <4A8D74DC.2060504@cs.umanitoba.ca>

FYI...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: USENIX SustainIT '10 Call For Papers Now Available
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:32:15 -0700
From: Lionel Garth Jones <lgj at usenix.org>

The Program Committee for the the First USENIX Workshop on Sustainable
Information Technology (SustainIT '10) invites you to submit your
papers.

Increasingly, designers of computer systems ranging from small mobile
devices to massive datacenters are concerned with sustainable design,
including both power and life-cycle costs; these costs should include
manufacturing, operation, and disposal of IT systems.

We seek papers that evaluate energy-related issues and their
aforementioned trade-offs, present novel new ideas, challenge and/or
debunk past and present practices, and more. We especially encourage
papers that discuss not just energy issues but also how they interact
with other dimensions in a sustainable manner. The scope of this
workshop is broad, covering research, theory, hardware, software,
applications, techniques, etc.--all related to making computing systems
greener.

Topics of interest related to energy-sustainable computing include but
are not limited to:
* Energy vs. performance, cost, reliability, usability, security, etc.
* Evaluations of long-term total costs of ownership (TCOs, e-waste,
growth rates, recycling, etc.)
* Total Impact of Ownership (TIO) in the long run (even decades-long)
* Workload reduction techniques (e.g., compression, dedup)
* Application of virtualization, cloud computing, clustering, and
workload management
* Hardware-based techniques (e.g., new electronics, clock-gating,
disaggregation)
* Firmware-based techniques (e.g., APM, ACPI)
* Right-sizing techniques (e.g., DVFS, DRPM)
* Use of FLASH and other novel storage media
* Impact of storage hardware and software stacks
* Application-optimization techniques (e.g., compiler-based)
* Theory, algorithms, and simulated results
* Energy and energy-related metrics (e.g., $$$, Energy-Delay, PUE)
* IT services and techniques to manage energy and reduce costs
* Sustainability and life-cycle analysis
* Practical energy technologies for the developing world
* Datacenter techniques (e.g., blade servers, low-power CPUs)
* Software-based techniques at all levels, from OS/kernel to
applications
* Evaluation and modification of business processes to reduce the
environmental impact
* Economics of energy-efficienct software and hardware design
* New datacenter cooling and energy-management issues and designs,
including use of renewable energy sources
* Thermal and computational fluid dynamics (CFD) models for software and
hardware co-design

Please submit your work by November 9, 2009.
More information and submission guidelines are available at
http://www.usenix.org/sustainit10/cfpa

SustainIT '10 will take place February 22, 2010, in San Jose, CA. It
will be co-located with the 8th USENIX Conference on File and Storage
Technologies (FAST '10), which will take place February 23-26, 2010.

We look forward to receiving your submissions!

Sincerely,

Ethan L. Miller, University of California, Santa Cruz
Erez Zadok, Stony Brook University
SustainIT '10 Program Co-Chairs
sustainit10chairs at usenix.org


From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca  Fri Aug 21 15:49:21 2009
From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:49:21 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] MUUG Board Elections - Call for Nominations
Message-ID: <4A8F0851.7070905@cs.umanitoba.ca>

Hear ye, hear ye!

This is a preliminary call for nominees to participate in the election
for the MUUG board.  Those elected will serve from October 2009 until
October 2010.  The deadline to nominate yourself, or someone else, is
September 29, 2009.  Instructions follow.

The MUUG board is charged with coordinating the meetings and other
events by the group.  It's fun, and you get a role in guiding the group.
All are encouraged to apply.

------------------------

MUUG Board Elections - Call for Nominations

Every October the Manitoba Unix User Group holds its Annual Meeting, the
main goals of which are to elect a new Board of Directors and to pass
any special resolutions.  (Aside from that, it is a regular meeting)
Any MUUG member in good standing can be nominated to run for a position
on the Board.

As of this writing, the following members of the current Board have let
their names stand for re-election:

Sean Cody		Senior System Admin.	Prime Focus VFX Services
Gilbert Detillieux	Systems Analyst		University of Manitoba
Michael Doob		Professor		University of Manitoba
Kevin McGregor		Network Analyst		City of Winnipeg
Montana Quiring		Systems Administrator	University of Manitoba
Doug Shewfelt		Systems Specialist	City of Winnipeg
Adam Thompson		Consultant		athompso.net

Of course, this list is just a starting point.  Any member in good
standing of the group can be nominated simply by getting the support of
one other member.  If you feel you would like to contribute to the group
by running for a board position, please don't hesitate to do so.  (In
fact, we'd like to see the number of board members increase.)

If you want to be nominated, or to nominate someone else, send a letter
to the group's postal box or deliver it in person to a current board
member.  The letter must contain the name, title, and employer of the
nominee, along with a short (100 word or so) biography, and must contain
the signatures of the nominee and one other member.  The letter must be
received no later than September 29, 2009, which is 14 days prior to the
October 13 meeting.

Although the by-laws require that the nominations be done in writing,
with signatures, you can speed up the process by sending e-mail to
<election at muug.mb.ca>, with the above information, and sending the
signed paper copy later.  In this case, please include the e-mail
address of both the nominee and the supporter on the CC: list of the
message, so that all parties concerned have a record of the communication.

Nominees should familiarize themselves with the MUUG bylaws, found here:

	http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/bylaws/

If you have any questions about the election or the nomination process,
please contact Gilbert Detillieux, either by phone (474-8161) during
business hours, or by e-mail to <election at muug.mb.ca> anytime.

Gilbert Detillieux
Election Committee Chair

------------------------

-- 
Gilbert E. Detillieux		E-mail: <gedetil at muug.mb.ca>
Manitoba UNIX User Group	Web:	http://www.muug.mb.ca/
PO Box 130 St-Boniface		Phone:  (204)474-8161
Winnipeg MB CANADA  R2H 3B4	Fax:    (204)474-7609

From montanaq at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:39:46 2009
From: montanaq at gmail.com (Montana Quiring)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:39:46 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] New Linux Maemo Device
Message-ID: <bdad73b60908270739t76e3f058v44ed0a91e43e640e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I know there's more then a few of us that are interested in and excited
about this announcement!
http://cli.gs/n900announce

-- 
-Montana
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From ve4drk at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 10:27:44 2009
From: ve4drk at gmail.com (Dan Keizer)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:27:44 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] [Zum] New Linux Maemo Device
In-Reply-To: <bdad73b60908270739t76e3f058v44ed0a91e43e640e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bdad73b60908270739t76e3f058v44ed0a91e43e640e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daf1b8090908270827g74e8d4absf93bf490508b0c37@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah -- saw the announcement -- holy cow -- nice unit -- but it will have to
compete with the likes of the iphone, BB and other smart phones --
I'm on the BB now, but unfortunately, i'm going the way of the iPhone3GS ...
:-) :-(

Dan.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Montana Quiring <montanaq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know there's more then a few of us that are interested in and excited
> about this announcement!
> http://cli.gs/n900announce
>
> --
> -Montana
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zum mailing list
> Zum at muug.mb.ca
> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/zum
>
>
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From montanaq at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 08:02:40 2009
From: montanaq at gmail.com (Montana Quiring)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:02:40 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] New Linux Maemo Device
In-Reply-To: <bdad73b60908270739t76e3f058v44ed0a91e43e640e@mail.gmail.com>
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This just got announced too:
http://www.h-online.com/open/Sharp-launch-Linux-based-Netwalker-in-Japan--/news/114103

Japan only though. :(
-MQ

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Montana Quiring <montanaq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know there's more then a few of us that are interested in and excited
> about this announcement!
> http://cli.gs/n900announce
>
> --
> -Montana
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From uniquegeek at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 15:13:03 2009
From: uniquegeek at gmail.com (Kat)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:13:03 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 56, Issue 8
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I was curious about a n810 or earlier model a month ago, but I found them
difficult to find here.  Anywhere I found them was almost *twice* the price
of what it was in the U.S.  Many of the site I was looking at seemed
outdated, but even the up-to-date sites were disappointing.  I even
contacted a few stores Nokia had listed as retailers, and they did not carry
them.  The Nokia site isn't the mess it was a month or two ago, but still...

I ended up settling on an Archos 5, which Best Buy has on sale, but out of
stock.  Future Shop matches the price, so I got the 60 GB model for about
$250.

I briefly considered an Ipod Touch, but apparently it doesn't play nice with
Linux.

I think I should write an article to tell you folks what usability and
trinkets are like...


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> This just got announced too:
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> http://www.h-online.com/open/Sharp-launch-Linux-based-Netwalker-in-Japan--/news/114103
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> Japan only though. :(
> -MQ
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Montana Quiring <montanaq at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Hello,
> >
> > I know there's more then a few of us that are interested in and excited
> > about this announcement!
> > http://cli.gs/n900announce
> >
> > --
> > -Montana
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From john at johnlange.ca  Mon Aug 31 16:15:39 2009
From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:15:39 -0500
Subject: [RndTbl] Tips for using grub?
Message-ID: <b586bc950908311415t7e1153afqe0b6b60eea195a37@mail.gmail.com>

Just wondering if anyone has any tips on using grub?

The grub command that writes the MBR is "setup (hdX)". The problem is
figuring out which drive is the "root" drive.

In a situation where you are trying to write the MBR on a drive that
isn't the one you booted from, this turns out to be non-trivial.

You can use grub's "find" command to look for a file like "find
/boot/grub/grub.conf", but if several attached drives have the same
file than this doesn't help much.

Even worse, if the system is multipathed, the same device will be
returned several times. I have a system here that I'm testing with and
it has 4 paths to each device. The "find" command returns 4 results
for every attached device.

Anyone have a tip for how to figure out which one is the one I want?

BTW, I'm trying to document this for a recovery procedure so it would
be common to have several attached devices with almost identical file
systems.

---
John Lange
www.johnlange.ca