From athompso at athompso.net Sun Aug 1 22:24:15 2010 From: athompso at athompso.net (Adam Thompson) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:24:15 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] shell scripting mysql commands Message-ID: <001601cb31f2$2f963190$8ec294b0$@athompso.net> Further to the previous question about shell scripting and MySQL? The script looks generally like this: ( commands; commands; commands; cat <<__EOF__ sql statements; sql statements; __EOF__ find $basedir ?args | while read VARIABLE; do sed ?i ?e ?s/xxx/yyy/gi? ?e ?s/aaa/bbb/gi? $VARIABLE cat << __EOF__ LOAD DATA INFILE ?$VARIABLE??; UPDATE stuff?; __EOF__ ) | mysql --user=? --password=? --host=? --database=? --batch I didn?t really think about order-of-operations until it came back to bite me in the ass. The script now has these comments in it. Note carefully the last point in the comments, if you?re ever doing anything like this. # The subshell allows us to start processing the mysql commands as soon # as they are echo(1)'d, improving parallelism dramatically. # Note that this does not cause magic to happen - commands will still # finish executing in order, so it's valid to, say, run sed(1) to pre- # process a file before echo(1)ing the LOAD DATA INFILE command to # MySQL. # In fact, due to stdio buffering issues, the MySQL commands probably # won't start executing until sometime shortly after they are sent; # execution is definitely asynchronous, so keep in mind there are two # separate process "pipelines" happening. So: # 1. each shell command may depend on previous shell commands having # executed; # 2. each MySQL statement may depend on previous MySQL statements # having executed; # 3. each MySQL statement may depend on previous *shell* commands # having executed; # 4. but each shell command ***MAY NOT*** depend on previous MySQL # statements having executed! -Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100801/71edd8bb/attachment.html From peter at pogma.com Mon Aug 2 01:45:04 2010 From: peter at pogma.com (Peter O'Gorman) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:45:04 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] another shell thing I've forgotten... In-Reply-To: <003101cb3106$ba86c3b0$2f944b10$@athompso.net> References: <003101cb3106$ba86c3b0$2f944b10$@athompso.net> Message-ID: <4C566970.60404@pogma.com> On 07/31/2010 06:18 PM, Adam Thompson wrote: > Inside a shell script, I want to start a persistent mysql client process > and feed it commands one by one. > > I?d like to use a named pipe, but the only way I?ve found to do it so > far is with a subshell, by putting 99% of the script inside the subshell > and piping the subsell?s entire output to mysql. While this > more-or-less works, it?s very much not ideal. > Anyone have any better ideas? I think you want something like this. exec 5>&1 # "save" stdout as fd 5 exec >/tmp/mypipe # redirect stdout to pipe echo "Command 1" # goes to pipe echo "Command 2" # goes to pipe # etc etc etc exec 1>&5 5>&- # restore stdout, close fd 5 Peter From colin at ninja.ca Tue Aug 3 13:25:01 2010 From: colin at ninja.ca (Colin Stanners) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:25:01 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware Message-ID: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) IBM Token Ring Concentrator 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant PSUs, fans A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling places. From high.res.mike at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 13:38:08 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:38:08 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <4C586210.5060502@gmail.com> On 10-08-03 01:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > PSUs, fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > places. > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable I may be interested in the wifi dishes. Would they be suitable for connecting to my d-link (N) router? I realise they are for point to point transmission/reception. Other than that, what are their capabilities? I'll forward your original message to another geek friend who is a bit of a collector. Later Mike From sean at tinfoilhat.ca Tue Aug 3 13:40:26 2010 From: sean at tinfoilhat.ca (Sean Cody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:40:26 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> Message-ID: I'm interested in the wifi dishes as well. On 2010-08-03, at 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > PSUs, fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > places. > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable -- Sean From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Tue Aug 3 13:55:07 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:55:07 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> I would like an old Alpha capable of running OpenVMS. Just to keep my skills up. I bid on a contract a few years ago to replace an old VAX with a new model system; didn't get it simply because I wasn't American. But I doubt they would find anyone with 1989 certification for VMS. The MicroVAX is pre-Alpha (I remember administering a 3000 series), but can your Digital Server run OpenVMS? I have a CD with VMS Alpha 7.2-2 OS binaries. As for old PCs, I volunteer with Mike Pfaiffer at a computer lending library. They could use any P4 PCs. By the way, what is a "Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A"? Rob Dyck -----Original Message----- From: roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca [mailto:roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:25 PM To: Continuation of Round Table discussion Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) IBM Token Ring Concentrator 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant PSUs, fans A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling places. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable at muug.mb.ca http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From colin at ninja.ca Tue Aug 3 14:54:16 2010 From: colin at ninja.ca (Colin Stanners) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:54:16 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> Rob: will speak with you later today Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and let you know Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the leaky-capacitor issues (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty complete < P4 systems; since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think it's worth the time to deal with anything less. If you are available right away I can arrange for you to come here and pick what you want. Also have the following: -metal box with ~5u rack inside -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control -4x cisco 2500 routers -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x 100mbit, 4x 100VG -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > PSUs, fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > places. > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > From sean at tinfoilhat.ca Tue Aug 3 14:56:42 2010 From: sean at tinfoilhat.ca (Sean Cody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:56:42 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E@tinfoilhat.ca> I'm VERY interested in this. On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control -- Sean From colin at ninja.ca Tue Aug 3 15:04:30 2010 From: colin at ninja.ca (Colin Stanners) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:04:30 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E@tinfoilhat.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E@tinfoilhat.ca> Message-ID: <4C58764E.1060301@ninja.ca> Note it's an older model, don't think it has HTTP, likely only telnet or SNMP. I got it from someone on this list. Are you close to St.B right now? On 8/3/2010 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > I'm VERY interested in this. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control From sean at tinfoilhat.ca Tue Aug 3 15:27:57 2010 From: sean at tinfoilhat.ca (Sean Cody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:27:57 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E@tinfoilhat.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E@tinfoilhat.ca> Message-ID: I'm downtown in the exchange. On 2010-08-03, at 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > I'm VERY interested in this. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > -- > Sean > > -- Sean From kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 16:02:39 2010 From: kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com (Kevin McGregor) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:02:39 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> Message-ID: I'm interested in taking a look at these: -metal box with ~5u rack inside ... -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? Kevin On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > Rob: will speak with you later today > > Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and let you know > > Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the leaky-capacitor > issues > (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty complete > < P4 systems; > since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think it's worth > the time > to deal with anything less. If you are available right away I can > arrange for > you to come here and pick what you want. > > Also have the following: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > -4x cisco 2500 routers > -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x 100mbit, 4x > 100VG > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > > On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100803/0372a1d6/attachment-0001.html From kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 16:08:49 2010 From: kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com (Kevin McGregor) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:08:49 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> Message-ID: FYI, it appears to be the Heathkit IO-4105 single-trace 5 MHz scope. Any probes with it? Kevin On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kevin McGregor wrote: > I'm interested in taking a look at these: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > ... > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > Kevin > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > >> Rob: will speak with you later today >> >> Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and let you know >> >> Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the leaky-capacitor >> issues >> (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty complete >> < P4 systems; >> since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think it's worth >> the time >> to deal with anything less. If you are available right away I can >> arrange for >> you to come here and pick what you want. >> >> Also have the following: >> -metal box with ~5u rack inside >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control >> -4x cisco 2500 routers >> -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x 100mbit, 4x >> 100VG >> -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? >> >> >> On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: >> > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more >> interesting >> > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: >> > >> > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) >> > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V >> direct) >> > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks >> > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) >> > IBM Token Ring Concentrator >> > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors >> > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A >> > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? >> > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs >> toner/work >> > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt >> > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant >> > PSUs, fans >> > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi >> > >> > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling >> > places. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Roundtable mailing list >> > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca >> > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roundtable mailing list >> Roundtable at muug.mb.ca >> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100803/0164b1f8/attachment.html From colin at ninja.ca Tue Aug 3 17:24:22 2010 From: colin at ninja.ca (Colin Stanners) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:24:22 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: References: <4C585EFD.9070900@ninja.ca> <4C5873E8.3010509@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <4C589716.9020604@ninja.ca> Sorry, both are spoken for. There was a probe with the scope, I'm still looking for it. On 8/3/2010 4:02 PM, Kevin McGregor wrote: > I'm interested in taking a look at these: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > ... > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > Kevin From colin at ninja.ca Tue Aug 3 21:06:17 2010 From: colin at ninja.ca (Colin Stanners) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:06:17 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> References: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <4C58CB19.30307@ninja.ca> I made a mistake - in my rush to clear out the garage and schedule pick-ups, I gave the Alpha to someone else who I assumed was Rob. My apologies Rob, if the guy who got it (I'm not good with noting/remembering names) doesn't need it, please let me or Rob know and I'll arrange to deliver it. Also if I see other Alpha gear around I'll let Rob know. On 8/3/2010 1:55 PM, Robert Dyck wrote: > I would like an old Alpha capable of running OpenVMS. Just to keep my skills > up. I bid on a contract a few years ago to replace an old VAX with a new > model system; didn't get it simply because I wasn't American. But I doubt > they would find anyone with 1989 certification for VMS. The MicroVAX is > pre-Alpha (I remember administering a 3000 series), but can your Digital > Server run OpenVMS? I have a CD with VMS Alpha 7.2-2 OS binaries. > > As for old PCs, I volunteer with Mike Pfaiffer at a computer lending > library. They could use any P4 PCs. > > By the way, what is a "Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A"? > > Rob Dyck From uniquegeek at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 09:28:56 2010 From: uniquegeek at gmail.com (Kat) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:28:56 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm interested in two of the cisco 2500 routers, if you're willing to let two go to one person. I'll be writing my CCNA in September and won't have equipment to play with after mid-August. Unless someone will let me play with their Cisco equipment at work :) Now to find a couple old Cisco switches... ------------------------------------------------------------ Katherine Scrupa Network Technology CCNA student, RRC On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > Send Roundtable mailing list submissions to > roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > roundtable-request at muug.mb.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > roundtable-owner at muug.mb.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Roundtable digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 2. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Mike Pfaiffer) > 3. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 4. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Robert Dyck) > 5. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 6. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 7. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 8. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 9. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Kevin McGregor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:25:01 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: <4C585EFD.9070900 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > PSUs, fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > places. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:38:08 -0500 > From: Mike Pfaiffer > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: <4C586210.5060502 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 10-08-03 01:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > I may be interested in the wifi dishes. Would they be suitable for > connecting to my d-link (N) router? I realise they are for point to > point transmission/reception. Other than that, what are their capabilities? > > I'll forward your original message to another geek friend who is a > bit > of a collector. > > Later > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:40:26 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm interested in the wifi dishes as well. > > On 2010-08-03, at 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:55:07 -0500 > From: "Robert Dyck" > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: "'Continuation of Round Table discussion'" > Message-ID: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0 at wp.shawcable.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would like an old Alpha capable of running OpenVMS. Just to keep my > skills > up. I bid on a contract a few years ago to replace an old VAX with a new > model system; didn't get it simply because I wasn't American. But I doubt > they would find anyone with 1989 certification for VMS. The MicroVAX is > pre-Alpha (I remember administering a 3000 series), but can your Digital > Server run OpenVMS? I have a CD with VMS Alpha 7.2-2 OS binaries. > > As for old PCs, I volunteer with Mike Pfaiffer at a computer lending > library. They could use any P4 PCs. > > By the way, what is a "Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A"? > > Rob Dyck > > -----Original Message----- > From: roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca [mailto:roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca] > On Behalf Of Colin Stanners > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:25 PM > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant PSUs, > fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > places. > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:54:16 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: <4C5873E8.3010509 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Rob: will speak with you later today > > Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and let you know > > Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the leaky-capacitor > issues > (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty complete > < P4 systems; > since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think it's worth > the time > to deal with anything less. If you are available right away I can > arrange for > you to come here and pick what you want. > > Also have the following: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > -4x cisco 2500 routers > -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x 100mbit, 4x > 100VG > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > > On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:56:42 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E at tinfoilhat.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:04:30 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: <4C58764E.1060301 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Note it's an older model, don't think it has HTTP, likely only telnet > or SNMP. > I got it from someone on this list. Are you close to St.B right now? > > On 8/3/2010 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:27:57 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm downtown in the exchange. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > > > -- > > Sean > > > > > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:02:39 -0500 > From: Kevin McGregor > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm interested in taking a look at these: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > ... > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > Kevin > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > Rob: will speak with you later today > > > > Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and let you know > > > > Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the leaky-capacitor > > issues > > (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty complete > > < P4 systems; > > since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think it's worth > > the time > > to deal with anything less. If you are available right away I can > > arrange for > > you to come here and pick what you want. > > > > Also have the following: > > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > -4x cisco 2500 routers > > -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x 100mbit, 4x > > 100VG > > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > > > > > On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > > interesting > > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell 797-1617: > > > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU 3.3V > direct) > > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST connectors > > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs > toner/work > > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial mgmt > > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with redundant > > > PSUs, fans > > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to recycling > > > places. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roundtable mailing list > > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100803/0372a1d6/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > End of Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 > ***************************************** > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100804/04e96ed6/attachment-0001.html From robert at cluenet.org Wed Aug 4 13:01:22 2010 From: robert at cluenet.org (Robert Keizer) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:01:22 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware In-Reply-To: <4C58CB19.30307@ninja.ca> References: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> <4C58CB19.30307@ninja.ca> Message-ID: <4C59AAF2.7050000@cluenet.org> Mixup of two different robs :) I phoned you when I saw the message, but whatever the case I don't need it that much. I can drive it back to Colin tomorrow ( thursday ) if that works. Robert On 10-08-03 09:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > I made a mistake - in my rush to clear out the garage and schedule > pick-ups, I gave the > Alpha to someone else who I assumed was Rob. My apologies Rob, if the > guy who got > it (I'm not good with noting/remembering names) doesn't need it, please > let me or Rob > know and I'll arrange to deliver it. Also if I see other Alpha gear > around I'll let Rob know. > > > On 8/3/2010 1:55 PM, Robert Dyck wrote: > >> I would like an old Alpha capable of running OpenVMS. Just to keep my skills >> up. I bid on a contract a few years ago to replace an old VAX with a new >> model system; didn't get it simply because I wasn't American. But I doubt >> they would find anyone with 1989 certification for VMS. The MicroVAX is >> pre-Alpha (I remember administering a 3000 series), but can your Digital >> Server run OpenVMS? I have a CD with VMS Alpha 7.2-2 OS binaries. >> >> As for old PCs, I volunteer with Mike Pfaiffer at a computer lending >> library. They could use any P4 PCs. >> >> By the way, what is a "Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A"? >> >> Rob Dyck >> From athompso at athompso.net Wed Aug 4 18:07:37 2010 From: athompso at athompso.net (Adam Thompson) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:07:37 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1280963257.2287.11.camel@PDtower> Kat, Are you aware of the gns3 app (Graphical Network Simulator, v3) which emulates/simulates a network of Cisco devices? I've also heard of a Cisco 7200/7600 VM that runs on i386 hardware. For the first one: http://www.gns3.net/ And the second: http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator They both appear to use the same underlying technology, I haven't actually tried either of them yet. I'm sure there are a few people on this list who'd be be willing to provide the necessary IOS images, privately. (i.e. DON'T just hit reply! It's still technically piracy, even for Cisco students!) I might be able to get my hands on some old Cisco switches... not sure if they've already gone to the great static bag in the sky or not... -Adam On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 09:28 -0500, Kat wrote: > I'm interested in two of the cisco 2500 routers, if you're willing to > let two go to one person. I'll be writing my CCNA in September and > won't have equipment to play with after mid-August. > > Unless someone will let me play with their Cisco equipment at work :) > > Now to find a couple old Cisco switches... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100804/033b7706/attachment.html From sean at ertw.com Wed Aug 4 18:21:33 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:21:33 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <1280963257.2287.11.camel@PDtower> References: <1280963257.2287.11.camel@PDtower> Message-ID: If you're going to go the dynamips route (link #2) then look at Dynagen... http://www.dynagen.org/ is a python wrapper for dynamips, which lets you write simple config files to build your network instead of trying to do it with command line options. That said, if you can get your hands on a couple of 2501s and some old CSU/DSU units, you can practice loopback testing on T1s. Admittedly, this is becoming less and less of a valuable skill. Sean On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Adam Thompson wrote: > Kat, > Are you aware of the gns3 app (Graphical Network Simulator, v3) which > emulates/simulates a network of Cisco devices? I've also heard of a Cisco > 7200/7600 VM that runs on i386 hardware. > > For the first one: http://www.gns3.net/ > And the second: http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator > > They both appear to use the same underlying technology, I haven't actually > tried either of them yet. > > I'm sure there are a few people on this list who'd be be willing to provide > the necessary IOS images, privately. > (i.e. DON'T just hit reply! It's still technically piracy, even for Cisco > students!) > > I might be able to get my hands on some old Cisco switches... not sure if > they've already gone to the great static bag in the sky or not... > > -Adam > > > > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 09:28 -0500, Kat wrote: > > I'm interested in two of the cisco 2500 routers, if you're willing to let > two go to one person. I'll be writing my CCNA in September and won't have > equipment to play with after mid-August. > > Unless someone will let me play with their Cisco equipment at work :) > > Now to find a couple old Cisco switches... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100804/68a22a79/attachment.html From john at johnlange.ca Wed Aug 4 21:01:45 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:01:45 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1280973705.3811.35.camel@linux-k6vx.site> As already mentioned on this thread, GNS is really worth looking into. I recently set it up and ran it under Linux and I was quite happy with it. It's a bit tricky to get going but I submit that if you can't get GNS working, you're _really_ going to struggle with Cisco. As for the IOS files; you can get a huge collection of IOS files via bittorrent. Not that I'm advocating copyright violations but as long as this is strictly for education use with GNS I don't think Cisco would mind too much. -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 09:28 -0500, Kat wrote: > I'm interested in two of the cisco 2500 routers, if you're willing to > let two go to one person. I'll be writing my CCNA in September and > won't have equipment to play with after mid-August. > > Unless someone will let me play with their Cisco equipment at work :) > > Now to find a couple old Cisco switches... > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Katherine Scrupa > Network Technology CCNA student, RRC > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > Send Roundtable mailing list submissions to > roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > roundtable-request at muug.mb.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > roundtable-owner at muug.mb.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Roundtable digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 2. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Mike Pfaiffer) > 3. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 4. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Robert Dyck) > 5. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 6. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 7. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Colin Stanners) > 8. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Sean Cody) > 9. Re: Cleaning out less-common hardware (Kevin McGregor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:25:01 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: <4C585EFD.9070900 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU > 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs > toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial > mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant > PSUs, fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to > recycling > places. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:38:08 -0500 > From: Mike Pfaiffer > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: <4C586210.5060502 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 10-08-03 01:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the > more interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU > 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, > needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial > mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to > recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > I may be interested in the wifi dishes. Would they be > suitable for > connecting to my d-link (N) router? I realise they are for > point to > point transmission/reception. Other than that, what are their > capabilities? > > I'll forward your original message to another geek > friend who is a bit > of a collector. > > Later > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:40:26 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm interested in the wifi dishes as well. > > On 2010-08-03, at 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the > more interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU > 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, > needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial > mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to > recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:55:07 -0500 > From: "Robert Dyck" > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: "'Continuation of Round Table discussion'" > > Message-ID: <000401cb333d$63fc6ca0$6400a8c0 at wp.shawcable.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would like an old Alpha capable of running OpenVMS. Just to > keep my skills > up. I bid on a contract a few years ago to replace an old VAX > with a new > model system; didn't get it simply because I wasn't American. > But I doubt > they would find anyone with 1989 certification for VMS. The > MicroVAX is > pre-Alpha (I remember administering a 3000 series), but can > your Digital > Server run OpenVMS? I have a CD with VMS Alpha 7.2-2 OS > binaries. > > As for old PCs, I volunteer with Mike Pfaiffer at a computer > lending > library. They could use any P4 PCs. > > By the way, what is a "Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V > 0.1A"? > > Rob Dyck > > -----Original Message----- > From: roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca > [mailto:roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca] > On Behalf Of Colin Stanners > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:25 PM > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > Subject: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the more > interesting > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU > 3.3V direct) > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, needs > toner/work > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial > mgmt > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant PSUs, > fans > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to > recycling > places. > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:54:16 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: <4C5873E8.3010509 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Rob: will speak with you later today > > Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and > let you know > > Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the > leaky-capacitor > issues > (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle pretty > complete > < P4 systems; > since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think > it's worth > the time > to deal with anything less. If you are available right > away I can > arrange for > you to come here and pick what you want. > > Also have the following: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > -4x cisco 2500 routers > -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x > 100mbit, 4x > 100VG > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > > On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the > more interesting > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed CPU > 3.3V direct) > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, > needs toner/work > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, serial > mgmt > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant > > PSUs, fans > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. to > recycling > > places. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:56:42 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: > <49212B5F-A12C-4559-9ABB-D66DD4A83E1E at tinfoilhat.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:04:30 -0500 > From: Colin Stanners > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: <4C58764E.1060301 at ninja.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Note it's an older model, don't think it has HTTP, likely > only telnet > or SNMP. > I got it from someone on this list. Are you close to St.B > right now? > > On 8/3/2010 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:27:57 -0500 > From: Sean Cody > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm downtown in the exchange. > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:56 PM, Sean Cody wrote: > > > I'm VERY interested in this. > > > > On 2010-08-03, at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > >> -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > > > -- > > Sean > > > > > > -- > Sean > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:02:39 -0500 > From: Kevin McGregor > Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Cleaning out less-common hardware > To: Continuation of Round Table discussion > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm interested in taking a look at these: > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > ... > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > Kevin > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin Stanners > wrote: > > > Rob: will speak with you later today > > > > Mike/Sean: will check the number of dishes and condition and > let you know > > > > Mark: I don't have many ATX power supplies without the > leaky-capacitor > > issues > > (or that are a quality brand). I'm about to recycle > pretty complete > > < P4 systems; > > since you can buy used P4s today for ~100$ I don't think > it's worth > > the time > > to deal with anything less. If you are available right > away I can > > arrange for > > you to come here and pick what you want. > > > > Also have the following: > > -metal box with ~5u rack inside > > -2U 8-outlet power switch with ethernet remote control > > -4x cisco 2500 routers > > -HP Advancestack 2000 switch, redundant PSU, 12x 10mbit, 2x > 100mbit, 4x > > 100VG > > -Heathkit 10-4015 Oscilloscope, 10mhz? > > > > > > On 8/3/2010 1:25 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > > I'm cleaning out old hardware to make space, here's the > more > > interesting > > > pieces, if anyone wants them please reply or call my cell > 797-1617: > > > > > > MicroVAX 3800 (makes a great bedside table) > > > Digital Server 3000 (Alpha CPU-based, PSU modded to feed > CPU 3.3V direct) > > > Sparq portable 1GB-disk drive with 3 disks > > > Backer32 (parallel port video 'modem', 4GB on VHS tape) > > > IBM Token Ring Concentrator > > > 3x new Fujitsu fiber cables, 61meter, 2 fibers, ST-ST > connectors > > > Laboratory tube PSU, variable 200-325V 0.1A > > > Ribbon cable in foil wrap, approx. 50 wires, 200ft? > > > Konika-Minolta Magicolor 330, huge colour laser printer, > needs toner/work > > > Eurologic 4-drive SCSI/SAS array with redundact PSUs, > serial mgmt > > > Eurologic Fiberchannel 7x 73GB (1 HD bad) RAID array with > redundant > > > PSUs, fans > > > A few 2.4ghz wifi dishes, 19-24dbi > > > > > > I'm bringing a bunch of 300-800mhz PCs, 10mbit hubs, etc. > to recycling > > > places. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roundtable mailing list > > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roundtable mailing list > > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100803/0372a1d6/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > > End of Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 > ***************************************** > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From uniquegeek at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 22:16:53 2010 From: uniquegeek at gmail.com (Kat) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:16:53 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Roundtable Digest, Vol 68, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the heads up on gns3. We've been using a new version of PacketTracer for some labs at school in addition to real equipment, and it works pretty well, though it does have issues with RSA key generation and a couple other things. The instructors have been encouraging us to get our hands on real equipment to get used to different IOS versions and different equipment that has its own quirks (mostly command syntax). PacketTracer is available to Cisco students and alumni, but I'm sure one could find it as, uh... an extended trial version as well. ------------------------------------------------------------ Katherine Scrupa Network Technology CCNA student, RRC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Robert From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Fri Aug 6 02:55:37 2010 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 02:55:37 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100806025537.411f9aba@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 2010-08-05 Kevin McGregor wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for a good place to get decent (but > reasonably priced) IP cameras with day/night vision (IR)? I've seen > some for $100-$120. No need for pan/tilt/zoom or wireless. It depends. Most cameras in the $100 range are just glorified web cams with low resolutions, poor optics, and inferior (and often higher bandwidth) encoding. I know, because about 15% of my business is now architecing/installing IP surveillance cam solutions. After using a lot of different cams, and dealing with psuedo-IP cams that a lot of companies around here sell (analog cams with a computer-type backend), I can safely say that the best I've seen so far are from DLink. But they're not cheap. The DCS-3410 is the new, best night-cam. It doesn't use IR, but you can change out the lens for an IR one (haven't tried it). However, it uses intelligent algorithms and a super sensitive lux rating. For instance, when it's very dark, it switches to B&W mode for improved clarity. http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=679 However, I've found that in pitch or near-pitch black scenarios it still isn't enough. Best to install some small lights somewhere (which can be IR activated). I always set up the motion detection and record only on motion. That's a great feature. This model can also send FTP and email snapshots on motion, and write directly to a SMB share without using their ok (but not great) Windows client software. There is even a heated/vented weather-proof housing available for outdoor use. Back to the point about cheap cams, the cheap DLinks, Linksys, nonames (and analog fake-IP ones) have all proven very disappointing with intolerable limitations. Think about what you really need out of it before wasting money. From john at johnlange.ca Fri Aug 6 09:16:09 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:16:09 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cameras In-Reply-To: <20100806025537.411f9aba@pog.tecnopolis.ca> References: <20100806025537.411f9aba@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <1281104171.15422.27.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Trevor, great to heard from someone who has some experience in video surveillance. I was looking into purchasing some IP cameras for use with ZoneMinder a while back and was surprised how expensive they are. So just a note to Kevin McGregor (the original poster on this thread), in my experience there really is no such thing as a good & cheap IP camera. Trevor, I'm just curious if you've tried the cameras from Mobotix & Axis ? Those were the two I was focusing on. BTW, the Dlink DCS-3410 is listed on the Zoneminder compatibility list so that's good. Someone should do a Zoneminder presentation at MUUG! -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca From helgi at binary.is Fri Aug 6 09:24:36 2010 From: helgi at binary.is (Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:24:36 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Cameras In-Reply-To: <1281104171.15422.27.camel@linux-k6vx.site> References: <20100806025537.411f9aba@pog.tecnopolis.ca> <1281104171.15422.27.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: I've had the same experience as Trevor. I've only bought two though. Most frustrating was finding one that supposedly could be operated through a browser, which I wanted precisely because I wasn't using Windows, but depended on an IE-specific ActiveX plug-in. Nothing on the box indicated that, it only said "Operated through a browser" with no mention of IE, Windows or ActiveX, so watch out for that. I think that was even a DLink although my memory is not entirely clear. It was a brand name that I didn't expect to pull shenanigans like that, anyway. Kind regards, Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson helgi at binary.is On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, John Lange wrote: > Trevor, great to heard from someone who has some experience in video > surveillance. > > I was looking into purchasing some IP cameras for use with ZoneMinder a > while back and was surprised how expensive they are. > > So just a note to Kevin McGregor (the original poster on this thread), > in my experience there really is no such thing as a good & cheap IP > camera. > > Trevor, I'm just curious if you've tried the cameras from Mobotix & > Axis ? Those were the two I was focusing on. > > BTW, the Dlink DCS-3410 is listed on the Zoneminder compatibility list > so that's good. Someone should do a Zoneminder presentation at MUUG! > > -- > John Lange > http://www.johnlange.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100806/14f1188e/attachment.html From uniquegeek at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 13:25:28 2010 From: uniquegeek at gmail.com (Kat) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:25:28 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] SIP providers and DID Message-ID: Curious what you guys are using for SIP providers and a dialing number service. What's worked best for you? Anything I've been finding has been very US-centric. I'm using an HTC Magic on Rogers. 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Anything I've been finding has been > very US-centric. > > I'm using an HTC Magic on Rogers.? I've got SIPdroid installed. > > //don't want to pay 350% more for long distance charges than what I had with > Telus > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Katherine Scrupa > Network Technology CCNA student, RRC > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > From sean at ertw.com Fri Aug 6 13:32:02 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:32:02 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] SIP providers and DID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Les.net. It's something like $3.50/mo for the DID and under 2c/minute, or $8.88 flat. Plus he's local, so if you don't like something you just walk down to the nutty club and kick his ass. Sean On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Kat wrote: > Curious what you guys are using for SIP providers and a dialing number > service. What's worked best for you? Anything I've been finding has been > very US-centric. > > I'm using an HTC Magic on Rogers. I've got SIPdroid installed. > > //don't want to pay 350% more for long distance charges than what I had > with Telus > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Katherine Scrupa > Network Technology CCNA student, RRC > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > > -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100806/27161c5e/attachment.html From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 13:04:50 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:04:50 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts Message-ID: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> At the lab the teacher advocates using the Windows equivalent of the /etc/hosts file to prevent access to certain sites from classroom computers. He and I have been having an ongoing chat about this for a few months. I've been reading up on the way the file is used to redirect requests to a different address (eg. 127.0.0.1). Is there a difference in the way Windows parses the file compared to Linux? One reason for the above question is I was thinking it might be useful to redirect requests to advertising sites to 127.0.0.1 to speed up access on days when things seem to crawl. One article I read on Digg suggested a lot of the wait time for web pages was due to slow and misconfigured ad servers. I found one site which has example files which are updated so often. I tried one and I got almost nothing when surfing the web. Using the file as a pattern I created a smaller version which works well with the chromium browser but fails to display text in firefox. These are the lines I've added. Yes I know there are duplicates. 127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.com media.fastclick.net 127.0.0.1 *.tribalfusion.com a.tribalfusion.com 127.0.0.1 cdn.optmd.com 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.com ad.doubleclick.net *doubleclick.net googleads.g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 as.casalemedia.com 127.0.0.1 ads.adsonar.com 127.0.0.1 seeker.dice.com 127.0.0.1 townhall.com 127.0.0.1 s3.amazonaws.com 127.0.0.1 pixel.quantserv.com 127.0.0.1 st.blogads.com 127.0.0.1 *.rackspacecloud.com 127.0.0.1 js.adsonar.com 127.0.0.1 ads.pointroll.com Would the "*" in the domain name cause problems? Like I said, I used the Windows file as an example. Later Mike From sean at ertw.com Sat Aug 7 13:19:54 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:19:54 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know the answer to your question, but it seems easy enough to find out: (Windows XP SP3) C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name and try again. C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 *.hhjjhhjjhh.com > c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name and try again. C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com >> c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com Pinging foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 ... I'll leave it as an exercise to you to test the same on Linux. BTW, why are you blocking Amazon S3? Sean On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > At the lab the teacher advocates using the Windows equivalent of the > /etc/hosts file to prevent access to certain sites from classroom > computers. He and I have been having an ongoing chat about this for a > few months. I've been reading up on the way the file is used to redirect > requests to a different address (eg. 127.0.0.1). Is there a difference > in the way Windows parses the file compared to Linux? > > One reason for the above question is I was thinking it might be > useful > to redirect requests to advertising sites to 127.0.0.1 to speed up > access on days when things seem to crawl. One article I read on Digg > suggested a lot of the wait time for web pages was due to slow and > misconfigured ad servers. I found one site which has example files which > are updated so often. I tried one and I got almost nothing when surfing > the web. Using the file as a pattern I created a smaller version which > works well with the chromium browser but fails to display text in firefox. > > These are the lines I've added. Yes I know there are duplicates. > > 127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.com media.fastclick.net > 127.0.0.1 *.tribalfusion.com a.tribalfusion.com > 127.0.0.1 cdn.optmd.com > 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.com ad.doubleclick.net *doubleclick.net > googleads.g.doubleclick.net > 127.0.0.1 as.casalemedia.com > 127.0.0.1 ads.adsonar.com > 127.0.0.1 seeker.dice.com > 127.0.0.1 townhall.com > 127.0.0.1 s3.amazonaws.com > 127.0.0.1 pixel.quantserv.com > 127.0.0.1 st.blogads.com > 127.0.0.1 *.rackspacecloud.com > 127.0.0.1 js.adsonar.com > 127.0.0.1 ads.pointroll.com > > Would the "*" in the domain name cause problems? Like I said, I used > the Windows file as an example. > > Later > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100807/2a86288c/attachment.html From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 13:51:26 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:51:26 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> On 10-08-07 01:19 PM, Sean Walberg wrote: > I don't know the answer to your question, but it seems easy enough to find > out: > > (Windows XP SP3) > > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name > and try again. > C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 *.hhjjhhjjhh.com> c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name > and try again. > C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com>> > c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Pinging foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data: > Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 > ... That never occurred to me. I'll give it a try when I get back. > I'll leave it as an exercise to you to test the same on Linux. That may resolve one problem. Thanks. > BTW, why are you blocking Amazon S3? It was appearing as an ad server when chromium was loading an unrelated web page. Besides I don't order anything from Amazon. I thought the domain was actually amazonaws.com and unrelated to Amazon... FYI, that example I mentioned earlier had listed over 1500 ad servers. > Sean Later Mike > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mike Pfaifferwrote: > >> At the lab the teacher advocates using the Windows equivalent of the >> /etc/hosts file to prevent access to certain sites from classroom >> computers. He and I have been having an ongoing chat about this for a >> few months. I've been reading up on the way the file is used to redirect >> requests to a different address (eg. 127.0.0.1). Is there a difference >> in the way Windows parses the file compared to Linux? >> >> One reason for the above question is I was thinking it might be >> useful >> to redirect requests to advertising sites to 127.0.0.1 to speed up >> access on days when things seem to crawl. One article I read on Digg >> suggested a lot of the wait time for web pages was due to slow and >> misconfigured ad servers. I found one site which has example files which >> are updated so often. I tried one and I got almost nothing when surfing >> the web. Using the file as a pattern I created a smaller version which >> works well with the chromium browser but fails to display text in firefox. >> >> These are the lines I've added. Yes I know there are duplicates. >> >> 127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.com media.fastclick.net >> 127.0.0.1 *.tribalfusion.com a.tribalfusion.com >> 127.0.0.1 cdn.optmd.com >> 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.com ad.doubleclick.net *doubleclick.net >> googleads.g.doubleclick.net >> 127.0.0.1 as.casalemedia.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.adsonar.com >> 127.0.0.1 seeker.dice.com >> 127.0.0.1 townhall.com >> 127.0.0.1 s3.amazonaws.com >> 127.0.0.1 pixel.quantserv.com >> 127.0.0.1 st.blogads.com >> 127.0.0.1 *.rackspacecloud.com >> 127.0.0.1 js.adsonar.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.pointroll.com >> >> Would the "*" in the domain name cause problems? Like I said, I used >> the Windows file as an example. >> >> Later >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roundtable mailing list >> Roundtable at muug.mb.ca >> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 14:35:14 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:35:14 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5DB572.7040908@gmail.com> On 10-08-07 01:19 PM, Sean Walberg wrote: > I don't know the answer to your question, but it seems easy enough to find > out: > > (Windows XP SP3) > > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name > and try again. > C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 *.hhjjhhjjhh.com> c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Ping request could not find host foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com. Please check the name > and try again. > C:\>echo 127.0.0.1 foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com>> > c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts > C:\>ping foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com > Pinging foo.hhjjhhjjhh.com [127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data: > Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 > ... > > I'll leave it as an exercise to you to test the same on Linux. > > BTW, why are you blocking Amazon S3? > > Sean Immensely interesting results... Apparently the "*" is treated as an actual character rather than as a wildcard. Judging from your results the example I was using was wrong. I took out all the entries with the "*". I'll try it out for a few weeks and see what more I can learn. Unfortunately the 64bit version of Firefox still didn't display text. I commented out all the added sites and still didn't get any text. What solved the problem was going into the preferences and telling the program to use my fonts rather than let the site select their own. The 32bit version of Firefox was working fine before so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Later Mike > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mike Pfaifferwrote: > >> At the lab the teacher advocates using the Windows equivalent of the >> /etc/hosts file to prevent access to certain sites from classroom >> computers. He and I have been having an ongoing chat about this for a >> few months. I've been reading up on the way the file is used to redirect >> requests to a different address (eg. 127.0.0.1). Is there a difference >> in the way Windows parses the file compared to Linux? >> >> One reason for the above question is I was thinking it might be >> useful >> to redirect requests to advertising sites to 127.0.0.1 to speed up >> access on days when things seem to crawl. One article I read on Digg >> suggested a lot of the wait time for web pages was due to slow and >> misconfigured ad servers. I found one site which has example files which >> are updated so often. I tried one and I got almost nothing when surfing >> the web. Using the file as a pattern I created a smaller version which >> works well with the chromium browser but fails to display text in firefox. >> >> These are the lines I've added. Yes I know there are duplicates. >> >> 127.0.0.1 media.fastclick.com media.fastclick.net >> 127.0.0.1 *.tribalfusion.com a.tribalfusion.com >> 127.0.0.1 cdn.optmd.com >> 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.com ad.doubleclick.net *doubleclick.net >> googleads.g.doubleclick.net >> 127.0.0.1 as.casalemedia.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.adsonar.com >> 127.0.0.1 seeker.dice.com >> 127.0.0.1 townhall.com >> 127.0.0.1 s3.amazonaws.com >> 127.0.0.1 pixel.quantserv.com >> 127.0.0.1 st.blogads.com >> 127.0.0.1 *.rackspacecloud.com >> 127.0.0.1 js.adsonar.com >> 127.0.0.1 ads.pointroll.com >> >> Would the "*" in the domain name cause problems? Like I said, I used >> the Windows file as an example. >> >> Later >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roundtable mailing list >> Roundtable at muug.mb.ca >> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From sean at ertw.com Sat Aug 7 15:43:36 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 15:43:36 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > > BTW, why are you blocking Amazon S3? > > It was appearing as an ad server when chromium was loading an > unrelated > web page. Besides I don't order anything from Amazon. I thought the > domain was actually amazonaws.com and unrelated to Amazon... > S3 is Amazon's "disk in the cloud" offering. Many people store static assets on S3 and use it as a cheap CDN. There might be some ads there, but there's more likely to be someone storing the images on their blog there, too. It would be like blocking everything under google.com because you don't like seeing adsense content network ads. I probably should have mentioned this in my original response, but fscking around with the hosts file is generally a bad idea. If you want to block ads, run the adblock plugin. Sean -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There might be some ads there, but there's > more likely to be someone storing the images on their blog there, too. It > would be like blocking everything under google.com because you don't like > seeing adsense content network ads. Oh. That makes sense. I would guess since they would be loading external images from there blocking the original ad server would suffice. > I probably should have mentioned this in my original response, but fscking > around with the hosts file is generally a bad idea. If you want to block > ads, run the adblock plugin. That's already included in Firefox isn't it? Then I already have that running. Unfortunately Firefox doesn't always block up popups. It will get about 80% of them but the additional 20% can be just as annoying. Then there are the banner ads too. The increase in speed by blocking just a few of their servers is noticeable. > Sean Later Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From sean at ertw.com Sat Aug 7 16:49:54 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 16:49:54 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > That's already included in Firefox isn't it? Then I already have > that > running. Unfortunately Firefox doesn't always block up popups. It will > get about 80% of them but the additional 20% can be just as annoying. > Then there are the banner ads too. The increase in speed by blocking > just a few of their servers is noticeable. > I don't know what kind of sites you visit, but I don't get many popups these days. Now that my day job involves Internet marketing, I'm actually interested to see how people monetize their sites and what's being advertised out there, so I don't use any ad blocking. Sean -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100807/ba33317e/attachment.html From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 17:13:47 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:13:47 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> On 10-08-07 04:49 PM, Sean Walberg wrote: > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mike Pfaifferwrote: > > >> That's already included in Firefox isn't it? Then I already have >> that >> running. Unfortunately Firefox doesn't always block up popups. It will >> get about 80% of them but the additional 20% can be just as annoying. >> Then there are the banner ads too. The increase in speed by blocking >> just a few of their servers is noticeable. >> > > I don't know what kind of sites you visit, but I don't get many popups these > days. Now that my day job involves Internet marketing, I'm actually > interested to see how people monetize their sites and what's being > advertised out there, so I don't use any ad blocking. It's going to sound childish for someone my age... I visit comic strip pages. For example comics.com and gocomics.com. I really admire people who can express themselves through drawing. I was commenting to one of the sysadmins how their site was slow. I suggested they were running Windows. They got indignant and said they were running Solaris. ;-) As I said, blocking the ad sites makes a noticeable result in page load times. Of course other sites like Digg seem to be having generic problems regardless of the ad sites I block. The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different subnet than we are. > Sean Later Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Sat Aug 7 17:25:41 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:25:41 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DB572.7040908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701cb367f$782aabc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> I tried a little experiment with Windows ME. I first opened the web page www.cbc.ca/news without any LMHOSTS file. (Yes, Windows uses caps). It took: 5 seconds to load page header, additional 5 seconds to load the bulk of the web page, and 9 seconds to load counts of forum comments to links of news stories. I then added LMHOSTS with the links that Mike provided. However, following instructions from the example LMHOSTS.SAV file, I ensured one line per URL. So I split lines that Mike had combined, added the local IP address to all of them. To ensure timing was not do to any cache, I closed IE before each test. The test web page is one I often look at, so no difference between the first test and later tests. It took: 4 seconds to load the page hearder, additional 4 seconds to load the bulk of the page, and 8 seconds to load counts of comments. This is a little difference, but not a lot. Within experimental error? I do have an ad blocker, so some of the work is already done. Rob Dyck From sean at ertw.com Sat Aug 7 17:40:27 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:40:27 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <000701cb367f$782aabc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> References: <4C5DB572.7040908@gmail.com> <000701cb367f$782aabc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Robert Dyck wrote: > This is a little difference, but not a lot. Within experimental error? I do > have an ad blocker, so some of the work is already done. > I see two problems here. #1 is that closing the browser does not clear the cache. #2 is the LMHOSTS only works for NetBIOS name requests. The HOSTS file is used for DNS. Folks, if you want to test page load speed, use Firebug, Tamper Data, Chrome Developer Tools, or any one of a dozen other tools out there. Hitting F5 with a stopwatch is not a valid measurement. Sean -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100807/85e29822/attachment.html From sean at ertw.com Sat Aug 7 17:46:02 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:46:02 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the > hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, > facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can > see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different > subnet than we are. Doing that at the DNS level misses out on proxies, any site with DNS wildcards, and also relies on the application to Do The Right Thing. Your friend might want to spend some time configuring Squid in transparent proxy mode. There's also the Squidguard redirector that makes blocking bad sites easier. Sean -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100807/4f51e852/attachment.html From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 17:56:48 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:56:48 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <000701cb367f$782aabc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> References: <000701cb367f$782aabc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <4C5DE4B0.2090303@gmail.com> On 10-08-07 05:25 PM, Robert Dyck wrote: > I tried a little experiment with Windows ME. I first opened the web page > www.cbc.ca/news without any LMHOSTS file. (Yes, Windows uses caps). It took: > 5 seconds to load page header, additional 5 seconds to load the bulk of the > web page, and 9 seconds to load counts of forum comments to links of news > stories. > > I then added LMHOSTS with the links that Mike provided. However, following > instructions from the example LMHOSTS.SAV file, I ensured one line per URL. > So I split lines that Mike had combined, added the local IP address to all > of them. To ensure timing was not do to any cache, I closed IE before each > test. The test web page is one I often look at, so no difference between the > first test and later tests. It took: > 4 seconds to load the page hearder, additional 4 seconds to load the bulk of > the page, and 8 seconds to load counts of comments. > > This is a little difference, but not a lot. Within experimental error? I do > have an ad blocker, so some of the work is already done. Some days the gocomics.com site I mentioned can take close to a minute and a half to load. By blocking some ad sites I observed the time reduced more than the 20% you observed. It depends on which ad sites are being accessed and the number. One day before I started blocking ad sites, I notice they had half a dozen separate pages under the main page. The usual number of pop-unders as I believe they are called is around two to three. Sean does raise an interesting point. Blocking the sites by domain is inefficient. It would be better to block them by type. It would reduce the number of accesses to a minimum. If that makes sense... > Rob Dyck Later Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 18:10:57 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:10:57 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5DE801.1020107@gmail.com> On 10-08-07 05:46 PM, Sean Walberg wrote: > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Mike Pfaifferwrote: > >> The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the >> hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, >> facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can >> see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different >> subnet than we are. > > > Doing that at the DNS level misses out on proxies, any site with DNS > wildcards, and also relies on the application to Do The Right Thing. Your > friend might want to spend some time configuring Squid in transparent proxy > mode. There's also the Squidguard redirector that makes blocking bad sites > easier. Quite correct. The teacher spends his time going through and looking for proxies when the students access the "inappropriate sites". What ever makes him happy... The Squid proxy we have in the lab is not accessible through the classroom. The classroom has been converted to a wireless system which is administered by the buildings IT folks. They already have barracuda running but there appears to be problems. The buildings IT folks have put the lab in the DMZ and let us administer it ourselves. > Sean Later Mike > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Sat Aug 7 19:31:21 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:31:21 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001cb3691$074f81c0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Does Windows ME have a HOSTS file? Remember this isn't Windows NT. Microsoft Windows 2000 is just Windows NT version 5.0 with a fancy name, Windows XP is Windows NT 5.1, Windows Vista is Windows NT version 6.0, and Windows 7 is Windows NT version 7.0. But Windows ME is part of the Windows 9x series. I created a short-cut (Windows version of a symbolic link) called HOSTS, linked to LMHOSTS. I tried the same web page but found no difference in load times at all. My initial test was with a web page that I often visit, so there is no cache difference between any of the tests. I restarted my computer in case Windows was loading the HOSTS file into memory, tried the same test and found no difference either. Rob Dyck From athompso at athompso.net Sat Aug 7 19:34:29 2010 From: athompso at athompso.net (Adam Thompson) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 00:34:29 +0000 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <000001cb3691$074f81c0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> References: <000001cb3691$074f81c0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <816756434-1281227647-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1498805090-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Yes, Win9x has a HOSTS file. The problem you've run into is that a shortcut isn't a symlink - instead, it's a file called "HOSTS.LNK" that the shell treats specially. Delete the shortcut and copy the file instead. -Adam -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Dyck" Sender: roundtable-bounces at muug.mb.ca Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:31:21 To: 'Continuation of Round Table discussion' Reply-To: Continuation of Round Table discussion Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts Does Windows ME have a HOSTS file? Remember this isn't Windows NT. Microsoft Windows 2000 is just Windows NT version 5.0 with a fancy name, Windows XP is Windows NT 5.1, Windows Vista is Windows NT version 6.0, and Windows 7 is Windows NT version 7.0. But Windows ME is part of the Windows 9x series. I created a short-cut (Windows version of a symbolic link) called HOSTS, linked to LMHOSTS. I tried the same web page but found no difference in load times at all. My initial test was with a web page that I often visit, so there is no cache difference between any of the tests. I restarted my computer in case Windows was loading the HOSTS file into memory, tried the same test and found no difference either. Rob Dyck _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable at muug.mb.ca http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Sat Aug 7 20:18:21 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:18:21 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <816756434-1281227647-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1498805090-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <000001cb3697$98a36dc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> --- Adam Thompson wrote: > Yes, Win9x has a HOSTS file. The problem you've run into is that a shortcut isn't a symlink - instead, it's a file called "HOSTS.LNK" that the shell treats specially. Delete the shortcut and copy the file instead. -Adam A shortcut is handled by the desktop (Explorer.exe) instead of the file system. Doesn't make sense, but did that anyway. Reboot Windows in case it cashes HOSTS in memory. Still have no difference in the same web site I use for these tests. Rob Dyck From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Sun Aug 8 11:42:45 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:42:45 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <000001cb3697$98a36dc0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <000001cb3718$ba7a2160$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> I need to take that back; there are changes. After copying LMHOSTS to hosts (yes, it's lower case), I found the ad banner in the page header was replaced with a black rectangle and a white icon with the red "X". And the video window pop-up showed the news article without the ad that normally runs in front of it; but only did so once. Thereafter it would not show the news article video. This worked for a couple minutes, then after refeshing the window it displayed a black area where the ad would have been, and played news video, but showed 2 ads before every news article. But after closing windows and re-trying a couple times, it returned to playing one video ad before each news video clip. All that was yesterday. I restarted my computer today and tried again. Again I found when playing video of a news story it stuttered a couple times, but did play the news article without any ad, but that was only once. Thereafter it would not play any news story. It appears the CBC News website blocks video if you block their video ads. I commented out the entries for doubleclick (leaving googleads.g.doubleclick.net in place) and found it would play video, and did precede each video news story with a video ad. But some times it would play two video ads, other times it would not play the news video. I had to restart my computer before getting reliable response. Now it plays one video ad before each news video, as it was before. Rob Dyck From john at johnlange.ca Mon Aug 9 10:01:07 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:01:07 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1281366067.5807.110.camel@linux-k6vx.site> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:13 -0500, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the > hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, > facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can > see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different > subnet than we are. I don't think I can agree with this strategy. It would take about 2 seconds for the user to delete their hosts file thereby defeating the blocking. The reality is there is always a way around the filters but but blocking at the firewall at least in theory prevents users from disabling it. Another problem I see with manipulating "hosts" is that you'd have to maintain it on every machine which seems like a lot of work. -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca From high.res.mike at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 10:12:43 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:12:43 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <1281366067.5807.110.camel@linux-k6vx.site> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> <1281366067.5807.110.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: <4C601AEB.6020706@gmail.com> On 10-08-09 10:01 AM, John Lange wrote: > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:13 -0500, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > >> The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the >> hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, >> facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can >> see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different >> subnet than we are. > > I don't think I can agree with this strategy. It would take about 2 > seconds for the user to delete their hosts file thereby defeating the > blocking. The reality is there is always a way around the filters but > but blocking at the firewall at least in theory prevents users from > disabling it. The firewall used in the classroom is out of our control. The building IT folks are trying to keep on top of it. The actual lab itself is in a separate room and we can control that firewall. Essentially the teacher maintains a copy of the hosts file on a USB stick. He reinstalls it every noon and just before he leaves. > Another problem I see with manipulating "hosts" is that you'd have to > maintain it on every machine which seems like a lot of work. > Yup. Sure is. Especially since the building blocks sites like Youtube and Google/Yahoo images. Later Mike From athompso at athompso.net Mon Aug 9 10:19:44 2010 From: athompso at athompso.net (Adam Thompson) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:19:44 +0000 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts Message-ID: <1296334734-1281367162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570519984-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Interesting mental exercise - the most comprehensive way around that filtering technique is simply to delete the hosts file (or edit it, I suppose). But if it were somehow made immutable, how would I get around it? Ignoring the difficulty of doing so under Winsock32, I think I would run a transparent http proxy server bound to localhost that did its own DNS without relying on the system libs... Hmm, that sounds exactly like the win32 port of squid. -Adam From sean at ertw.com Mon Aug 9 10:41:07 2010 From: sean at ertw.com (Sean Walberg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:41:07 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <1296334734-1281367162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570519984-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1296334734-1281367162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570519984-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Don't rely on the system resolver... Proxy out, by IP address if need be. Not sure if Windows has an equivalent of LD_PRELOAD, but using your own resolver that always uses DNS, would do it. Sean On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Adam Thompson wrote: > Interesting mental exercise - the most comprehensive way around that > filtering technique is simply to delete the hosts file (or edit it, I > suppose). > But if it were somehow made immutable, how would I get around it? > Ignoring the difficulty of doing so under Winsock32, I think I would run a > transparent http proxy server bound to localhost that did its own DNS > without relying on the system libs... Hmm, that sounds exactly like the > win32 port of squid. > -Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -- Sean Walberg http://ertw.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100809/7b6a6fe5/attachment.html From helgi at binary.is Mon Aug 9 10:18:42 2010 From: helgi at binary.is (Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:18:42 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <1281366067.5807.110.camel@linux-k6vx.site> References: <4C5DA042.3070503@gmail.com> <4C5DAB2E.3030902@gmail.com> <4C5DCFD7.6070306@gmail.com> <4C5DDA9B.5060201@gmail.com> <1281366067.5807.110.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: I have to agree with Mr. Lange. There are two things that will probably make this strategy incredibly time-consuming and difficult to maintain. 1. Maintaining the same hosts file on every computer. 2. Maintaining the list of hosts in the hosts file. Especially when it comes to porn, the number of sites you would have to list is just overwhelming, and on top of that, they keep changing. New ones come in and old ones change domains all the time. I think you're creating a lot of work that could easily be avoided by purchasing software that is specifically intended for this purpose. Frankly I find it hard to imagine a more time-consuming way of doing this. Just my two cents. :) Kind regards, Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson helgi at binary.is On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:01 AM, John Lange wrote: > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:13 -0500, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > > > The teacher at the lab is absolutely sold on the idea of using the > > hosts file to block out places like porn sites, gambling sites, > > facebook, and places like the pirate bay. For classroom machines I can > > see his point. Particularly since they are going through a different > > subnet than we are. > > I don't think I can agree with this strategy. It would take about 2 > seconds for the user to delete their hosts file thereby defeating the > blocking. The reality is there is always a way around the filters but > but blocking at the firewall at least in theory prevents users from > disabling it. > > Another problem I see with manipulating "hosts" is that you'd have to > maintain it on every machine which seems like a lot of work. > > -- > John Lange > http://www.johnlange.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100809/e734f3a7/attachment.html From john at johnlange.ca Mon Aug 9 11:43:51 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:43:51 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: References: <1296334734-1281367162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570519984-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1281372231.5807.371.camel@linux-k6vx.site> On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 10:41 -0500, Sean Walberg wrote: > Don't rely on the system resolver... Proxy out, by IP address if need > be. > > > Not sure if Windows has an equivalent of LD_PRELOAD, but using your > own resolver that always uses DNS, would do it. This just reminded me of something, I've always wondered is why you can't have a "hosts" file in your home directory that takes priority over /etc/hosts. On my laptop I have a number of entries in /etc/hosts and every dam time I rebuild my laptop I forget to take a current backup and I have to rebuild it. /home is on a separate partition so I wouldn't loose it on a rebuild. Any suggestions on alternative ways to solve this? -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca From kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 13:11:15 2010 From: kevin.a.mcgregor at gmail.com (Kevin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:11:15 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Learning a little about /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <1281372231.5807.371.camel@linux-k6vx.site> References: <1296334734-1281367162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570519984-@bda957.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1281372231.5807.371.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: You could set something up in your .bashrc to check if /etc/hosts has changed, then make a new copy in ~ if it has. I leave implementation to the student -- I'm just an idea rat. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, John Lange wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 10:41 -0500, Sean Walberg wrote: > > Don't rely on the system resolver... Proxy out, by IP address if need > > be. > > > > > > Not sure if Windows has an equivalent of LD_PRELOAD, but using your > > own resolver that always uses DNS, would do it. > > This just reminded me of something, I've always wondered is why you > can't have a "hosts" file in your home directory that takes priority > over /etc/hosts. > > On my laptop I have a number of entries in /etc/hosts and every dam time > I rebuild my laptop I forget to take a current backup and I have to > rebuild it. > > /home is on a separate partition so I wouldn't loose it on a rebuild. > > Any suggestions on alternative ways to solve this? > > -- > John Lange > http://www.johnlange.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roundtable mailing list > Roundtable at muug.mb.ca > http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100809/2cc4150b/attachment.html From john at johnlange.ca Tue Aug 10 16:35:20 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:35:20 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] CRTC consultation regarding internet and telephone service Message-ID: <1281476120.18025.74.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Just in case you aren't aware of it; I thought the people on this list might be interested in participating in this public preceding: http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=7166 Deadline is August 20. "The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) today launched an online consultation to hear the views of Canadians about their access to basic telephone and Internet services." "Through the online consultation, the public is invited to discuss various topics and questions. The topics for discussion are: * the services that should be included as part of a basic telephone service * the role of the CRTC in ensuring that Canadians have access to broadband Internet service * whether cellphones can serve as a substitute for landlines, and * whether wireless Internet services can serve as a substitute for landline Internet services. The online consultation will close at midnight EST on August 20, 2010 and can be found at www.obligationtoserve.publivate.ca." -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca From HSearles at winnipeg.ca Wed Aug 11 05:57:11 2010 From: HSearles at winnipeg.ca (Searles, Hobie) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:57:11 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] [*] CRTC consultation regarding internet and telephone service In-Reply-To: <1281476120.18025.74.camel@linux-k6vx.site> References: <1281476120.18025.74.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: <956391E1FDC41A47B67CCA24602591590AF1C37C@COWSVPEMB2.ad.cityofwpg.org> I didn't know about it. Thanks John. Regards, Hobie W. Hobart (Hobie) Searles Process Control Analyst Process Control Group - Wastewater Services City of Winnipeg, Water and Waste Dept. 109-1199 Pacific Avenue Winnipeg, MB R3E 3S8 Desk (204) 986-4840 Mobile (204) 470-7835 Fax (204) 774-6729 -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-bounces at muug.mb.ca [mailto:asterisk-bounces at muug.mb.ca] On Behalf Of John Lange Sent: August 10, 2010 4:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Group; Asterisk SIG; MUUG Roundtable Subject: [*] CRTC consultation regarding internet and telephone service Just in case you aren't aware of it; I thought the people on this list might be interested in participating in this public preceding: http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=7166 Deadline is August 20. "The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) today launched an online consultation to hear the views of Canadians about their access to basic telephone and Internet services." "Through the online consultation, the public is invited to discuss various topics and questions. The topics for discussion are: * the services that should be included as part of a basic telephone service * the role of the CRTC in ensuring that Canadians have access to broadband Internet service * whether cellphones can serve as a substitute for landlines, and * whether wireless Internet services can serve as a substitute for landline Internet services. The online consultation will close at midnight EST on August 20, 2010 and can be found at www.obligationtoserve.publivate.ca." -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca _______________________________________________ Asterisk mailing list Asterisk at muug.mb.ca http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/asterisk From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sat Aug 14 22:16:43 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:16:43 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Got a loan of a computer until September - Playing with Ubuntu Server 10.4 Message-ID: <4C675C1B.1040002@gmail.com> An interesting package. Some adventures... The first is I appear to have purchased a bad batch of CDs. Or it could be the burner. It works fine installed on a DVD. I've set up a LAMP server. It works fine for standard HTML files. It took me a while to configure it for users public_html directories. The usersdir module wasn't hard to find but finding out what to do was where the time went. I tried to display a PHP test file and ran into problems. It seems it only works fine in the system directory but not for users. This is the same problem I was having with OS X (10.4) last year. It wants to send the file as a download. The documentation I've read today seems to be out of date and makes some assumptions. For example, that I'm running Windows, the software isn't already there. That sort of thing. Even the documentation from Canonical wasn't very helpful (I spent most of the day reading the 8.04 documentation without realising it). They also assumed I had to download the software even though it was on their ISO. I know I'm missing a setting somewhere. Probably in the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file. It probably has to be a 30 second fix. Would someone happen to know it off the top of their head? I'd like to set up Python as well. The language is installed. I want to hold off installing it until I can get PHP working. If someone could point me to some documentation for that too it will help a lot. There are quite a few apps installed. Moinmoin and mediawiki are there. I was wondering if installing a "forum" program would be worthwhile. I'll probably connect it to a wireless router in the last week and let my neighbours access it for a while. Of course with me it's also about installing games. Chris was saying there are a few free PHP (web) games which might be worth looking at. Then there is Montanas recommendation about Stendhal. Anything else worth installing before the machine goes back in September? Later Mike P.S. There will be no web access through the wireless router. Shaw gets their collective underwear in a knot at the idea of something like bittorrent let alone an open router. From robert at cluenet.org Sat Aug 14 23:43:00 2010 From: robert at cluenet.org (Robert Keizer) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:43:00 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Got a loan of a computer until September - Playing with Ubuntu Server 10.4 In-Reply-To: <4C675C1B.1040002@gmail.com> References: <4C675C1B.1040002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C677054.9010301@cluenet.org> On 10-08-14 10:16 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: > I tried to display a PHP test file and ran into problems. It seems it > only works fine in the system directory but not for users. This is the > same problem I was having with OS X (10.4) last year. It wants to send > the file as a download. The documentation I've read today seems to be > out of date and makes some assumptions. For example, that I'm running > Windows, the software isn't already there. That sort of thing. Even the > documentation from Canonical wasn't very helpful (I spent most of the > day reading the 8.04 documentation without realising it). They also > assumed I had to download the software even though it was on their ISO. > I know I'm missing a setting somewhere. Probably in the > /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file. It probably has to be a 30 second fix. > Would someone happen to know it off the top of their head? > Try a2enmod php5 > I'd like to set up Python as well. The language is installed. I want to > hold off installing it until I can get PHP working. If someone could > point me to some documentation for that too it will help a lot. > apt-cache search mod_python a2enmod All the best, Robert From high.res.mike at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 13:10:58 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Got a loan of a computer until September - Playing with Ubuntu Server 10.4 In-Reply-To: <4C677054.9010301@cluenet.org> References: <4C675C1B.1040002@gmail.com> <4C677054.9010301@cluenet.org> Message-ID: <4C682DB2.7040508@gmail.com> On 10-08-14 11:43 PM, Robert Keizer wrote: > On 10-08-14 10:16 PM, Mike Pfaiffer wrote: >> I tried to display a PHP test file and ran into problems. It seems it >> only works fine in the system directory but not for users. This is the >> same problem I was having with OS X (10.4) last year. It wants to send >> the file as a download. The documentation I've read today seems to be >> out of date and makes some assumptions. For example, that I'm running >> Windows, the software isn't already there. That sort of thing. Even the >> documentation from Canonical wasn't very helpful (I spent most of the >> day reading the 8.04 documentation without realising it). They also >> assumed I had to download the software even though it was on their ISO. >> I know I'm missing a setting somewhere. Probably in the >> /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file. It probably has to be a 30 second fix. >> Would someone happen to know it off the top of their head? >> > > Try a2enmod php5 > >> I'd like to set up Python as well. The language is installed. I want to >> hold off installing it until I can get PHP working. If someone could >> point me to some documentation for that too it will help a lot. >> > > apt-cache search mod_python > > a2enmod > > All the best, > Robert Thanks for the info. Here is what I get... mike at scoundrel:~$ sudo a2enmod php5 [sudo] password for mike: Module php5 already enabled mike at scoundrel:~$ sudo apt-cache search mod_python libapache2-mod-python - Python-embedding module for Apache 2 libapache2-mod-python-doc - Python-embedding module for Apache 2 - documentation libapache2-mod-wsgi - Python WSGI adapter module for Apache python-albatross - Toolkit for Stateful Web Applications python-albatross-doc - documentation for the Albatross Web Toolkit python-apache-openid - OpenID consumer module for Apache python-cherrypy3 - Python web development framework - version 3 python-myghtyutils - Set of utility classes used by Myghty templating mike at scoundrel:~$ sudo a2enmod python ERROR: Module python does not exist! mike at scoundrel:~$ sudo a2enmod mod_python ERROR: Module mod_python does not exist! mike at scoundrel:~$ sudo a2enmod libapache2-mod-python ERROR: Module libapache2-mod-python does not exist! mike at scoundrel:~$ a2enmod Your choices are: actions alias asis auth_basic auth_digest authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbd authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authnz_ldap authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cern_meta cgi cgid charset_lite dav dav_fs dav_lock dbd deflate dir disk_cache dump_io env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers ident imagemap include info ldap log_forensic mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation php5 proxy proxy_ajp proxy_balancer proxy_connect proxy_ftp proxy_http proxy_scgi reqtimeout rewrite setenvif speling ssl status substitute suexec unique_id userdir usertrack version vhost_alias Which module(s) do you want to enable (wildcards ok)? ^C mike at scoundrel:~$ Here is the list of available modules... actions.conf authn_dbd.load authz_owner.load charset_lite.load dir.load headers.load mem_cache.load proxy_ajp.load reqtimeout.load substitute.load actions.load authn_dbm.load authz_user.load dav_fs.conf disk_cache.conf ident.load mime.conf proxy_balancer.load rewrite.load suexec.load alias.conf authn_default.load autoindex.conf dav_fs.load disk_cache.load imagemap.load mime.load proxy.conf setenvif.conf unique_id.load alias.load authn_file.load autoindex.load dav.load dump_io.load include.load mime_magic.conf proxy_connect.load setenvif.load userdir.conf asis.load authnz_ldap.load cache.load dav_lock.load env.load info.conf mime_magic.load proxy_ftp.load speling.load userdir.load auth_basic.load authz_dbm.load cern_meta.load dbd.load expires.load info.load negotiation.conf proxy_http.load ssl.conf usertrack.load auth_digest.load authz_default.load cgid.conf deflate.conf ext_filter.load ldap.load negotiation.load proxy.load ssl.load version.load authn_alias.load authz_groupfile.load cgid.load deflate.load file_cache.load log_forensic.load php5.conf proxy_scgi.load status.conf vhost_alias.load authn_anon.load authz_host.load cgi.load dir.conf filter.load mem_cache.conf php5.load reqtimeout.conf status.load This is the list of those enabled... alias.conf authn_file.load authz_host.load autoindex.load deflate.load env.load negotiation.conf php5.load rewrite.load status.conf userdir.load alias.load authz_default.load authz_user.load cgi.load dir.conf mime.conf negotiation.load reqtimeout.conf setenvif.conf status.load auth_basic.load authz_groupfile.load autoindex.conf deflate.conf dir.load mime.load php5.conf reqtimeout.load setenvif.load userdir.conf Based on the documentation I've been able to find I shouldn't have missed anything with PHP. I don't see anything there with Python though. Come to think of it I don't see anything there for PERL either. One of those days I suspect I shouldn't have gotten out of bed... Later Mike From john at johnlange.ca Mon Aug 16 11:42:31 2010 From: john at johnlange.ca (John Lange) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:42:31 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Dell PowerEdge 2650 For Sale Message-ID: <1281976951.8132.9.camel@linux-k6vx.site> I have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 Server for sale. It includes rack-mount rails and cable management arms. It has dual Xeon 2.6Ghz processors and 4Gig RAM. Storage is RAID 5 and comes with 5 60G SCSI drives (240Gig storage available). ** NOTE ** I'm going from memory so some of the above specs might be off slightly. I'd like $350 for it. Email me directly if your interested. Thanks, -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca From rbdyck2 at shaw.ca Mon Aug 16 15:03:25 2010 From: rbdyck2 at shaw.ca (Robert Dyck) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:03:25 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Dell PowerEdge rack mount hardware In-Reply-To: <1281976951.8132.9.camel@linux-k6vx.site> Message-ID: <000001cb3d7e$161c05e0$6400a8c0@wp.shawcable.net> I have a Dell PowerEdge server that I'm keeping. However it came with rack mount hardware that I don't need. If anyone wants it, it's yours. The mounting hardware works for Dell PowerEdge servers 4200 / 4300 / 4400 / 6100 / 6300 / 6400. These are 7U high. Mounting hardware includes rack adapters and shoulder screws. They're currently on the server, so I have a full set. It also includes the cable tray, and I actually have 2 cable management arms. The server was one of a pair, the company that gave me the server ripped the other apart, they gave some parts from that one. But I don't have the rails. Manual for the mounting hardware is here: http://www.retrevo.com/pdf/804dj894/1/Dell%C2%92+PowerEdge%C2%92+6+0+and+4+0 +Systems+Rack+Installation...#q=Dell+PowerEdge+4300 Email me directly if your interested. Rob Dyck From high.res.mike at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 21:24:42 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:24:42 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] Solved my problem with Apache, PHP, and user directories Message-ID: <4C6B446A.1030509@gmail.com> I had to comment out some lines. Here is the NEW listing of my php5.conf file if anyone wants to try it for themselves... SetHandler application/x-httpd-php SetHandler application/x-httpd-php-source # To re-enable php in user directories comment the following lines # (from to .) Do NOT set it to On as it # prevents .htaccess files from disabling it. # # # php_admin_value engine Off # # It was a 10 second fix it took me a year to find. ;-) Now I'm off to chase more wild geese. Later Mike From gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca Wed Aug 18 15:31:06 2010 From: gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:31:06 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] MUUG Board Elections - Call for Nominations Message-ID: <4C6C430A.3050105@cs.umanitoba.ca> Hear ye, hear ye! This is a preliminary call for nominees to participate in the election for the MUUG board. Those elected will serve from October 2010 until October 2011. The deadline to nominate yourself, or someone else, is September 28, 2010. Instructions follow. The MUUG board is charged with coordinating the meetings and other events by the group. It's fun, and you get a role in guiding the group. All are encouraged to apply. ------------------------ MUUG Board Elections - Call for Nominations Every October the Manitoba Unix User Group holds its Annual Meeting, the main goals of which are to elect a new Board of Directors and to pass any special resolutions. (Aside from that, it is a regular meeting) Any MUUG member in good standing can be nominated to run for a position on the Board. As of this writing, the following members of the current Board have let their names stand for re-election: Sean Cody Senior System Admin. Prime Focus VFX Services Gilbert Detillieux Systems Analyst University of Manitoba Michael Doob Professor University of Manitoba Kevin McGregor Network Analyst City of Winnipeg Montana Quiring Systems Administrator University of Manitoba Doug Shewfelt Systems Specialist City of Winnipeg Adam Thompson Consultant athompso.net Of course, this list is just a starting point. Any member in good standing of the group can be nominated simply by getting the support of one other member. If you feel you would like to contribute to the group by running for a board position, please don't hesitate to do so. (In fact, we'd like to see the number of board members increase.) If you want to be nominated, or to nominate someone else, send a letter to the group's postal box or deliver it in person to a current board member. The letter must contain the name, title, and employer of the nominee, along with a short (100 word or so) biography, and must contain the signatures of the nominee and one other member. The letter must be received no later than September 28, 2010, which is 14 days prior to the October 12 meeting. Although the by-laws require that the nominations be done in writing, with signatures, you can speed up the process by sending e-mail to , with the above information, and sending the signed paper copy later. In this case, please include the e-mail address of both the nominee and the supporter on the CC: list of the message, so that all parties concerned have a record of the communication. Nominees should familiarize themselves with the MUUG bylaws, found here: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/bylaws/ If you have any questions about the election or the nomination process, please contact Gilbert Detillieux, either by phone (474-8161) during business hours, or by e-mail to anytime. Gilbert Detillieux Election Committee Chair ------------------------ -- Gilbert E. Detillieux E-mail: Manitoba UNIX User Group Web: http://www.muug.mb.ca/ PO Box 130 St-Boniface Phone: (204)474-8161 Winnipeg MB CANADA R2H 3B4 Fax: (204)474-7609 From grdetil at scrc.umanitoba.ca Thu Aug 26 14:22:27 2010 From: grdetil at scrc.umanitoba.ca (Gilles Detillieux) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] wireless N router recommendations? Message-ID: <4C76BEF3.4000604@scrc.umanitoba.ca> I was talking to Gilbert about recommendations for wireless N routers, as I'm in the market for one. I'm not particularly interested in running custom firmware (just need good, solid, secure and reliable wireless LAN and basic Internet support), so this post is perhaps slightly off-topic in this forum. But Gilbert did mention that there had been discussion at a recent meeting about Wireless N antenna strength, and some recommendations (mostly negative) about specific routers, though he couldn't recall specific brands mentioned. Any good dual-band models in the $70 to $130 price range? Thanks, Gilles -- Gilles R. Detillieux E-mail: Spinal Cord Research Centre WWW: http://www.scrc.umanitoba.ca/ Dept. Physiology, U. of Manitoba Winnipeg, MB R3E 0J9 (Canada) From sean at tinfoilhat.ca Thu Aug 26 15:01:01 2010 From: sean at tinfoilhat.ca (Sean Cody) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:01:01 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] wireless N router recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4C76BEF3.4000604@scrc.umanitoba.ca> References: <4C76BEF3.4000604@scrc.umanitoba.ca> Message-ID: 802.11N is heavily encumbered and barely supported outside Windows and Mac. I have also personally have not witnessed N range or speed stably in any environment I've tried it in (very spotty and bursty, to use some technical terms). I suggest sticking with 802.11G or running wires for performance critical uses. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/ has a really nice review chart of the N routers available. All dual band APs are pretty terrible. Most implementations I've seen end up servicing the 'least common denominator' meaning if you have a G device on that AP then the best you'll get is G on that band. It is best to stick with one range or another and doing so gives you more flexibility in the after market antenna options. Be doubly sure to have any cordless devices using bands that don't overlap with G and N. N is particularly susceptible to noise given the wider bandwidth. On 2010-08-26, at 2:22 PM, Gilles Detillieux wrote: > I was talking to Gilbert about recommendations for wireless N routers, > as I'm in the market for one. I'm not particularly interested in > running custom firmware (just need good, solid, secure and reliable > wireless LAN and basic Internet support), so this post is perhaps > slightly off-topic in this forum. But Gilbert did mention that there > had been discussion at a recent meeting about Wireless N antenna > strength, and some recommendations (mostly negative) about specific > routers, though he couldn't recall specific brands mentioned. > > Any good dual-band models in the $70 to $130 price range? > > Thanks, > Gilles -- Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.muug.mb.ca/pipermail/roundtable/attachments/20100826/f64c9397/attachment.html From high.res.mike at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 16:32:52 2010 From: high.res.mike at gmail.com (Mike Pfaiffer) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:32:52 -0500 Subject: [RndTbl] wireless N router recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4C76BEF3.4000604@scrc.umanitoba.ca> References: <4C76BEF3.4000604@scrc.umanitoba.ca> Message-ID: <4C76DD84.5040902@gmail.com> On 10-08-26 02:22 PM, Gilles Detillieux wrote: > I was talking to Gilbert about recommendations for wireless N routers, > as I'm in the market for one. I'm not particularly interested in > running custom firmware (just need good, solid, secure and reliable > wireless LAN and basic Internet support), so this post is perhaps > slightly off-topic in this forum. But Gilbert did mention that there > had been discussion at a recent meeting about Wireless N antenna > strength, and some recommendations (mostly negative) about specific > routers, though he couldn't recall specific brands mentioned. > > Any good dual-band models in the $70 to $130 price range? > > Thanks, > Gilles > I'm running a D-Link 655. It's OK. Reviews last year put it third from the top from what the reviewers were looking for. I have to agree with Sean. I can connect a USB NIC to my Mint box and it works well but if there is a choice between G and N the NIC will choose G. To be fair I haven't tried to force an N connection. This particular router has gigabit (wired) capabilities. As to reliability... It was running for a couple of months steady last winter. As coincidence would have it, I am running it now with a test machine. If you'd like to try it out as is and you happen to be in Windsor Park just East of WPC it is there and open. No internet connection though. I've tried to make the SSID as obvious as possible. If you want to make arrangements to see what it is like if we force an N connection, let me know before Friday of next week when the machine goes back. Later Mike